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Join Date: 2/10/2008 00:36:42

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2/21/2008 23:50:14
Wi-Fi Enhancements - More Functionality (i.e. Universal Wi-Fi)
The Wi-Fi feature is a great feature that seperates the Zune device from the rest of its immediate competition. At the moment... it can't really do anything but Wirelessly sync with other Zunes, and to your Zune collection. Most people don't even use this.
The Zune social really has some potential if users were able to do alot of the most basic features on their Zune device.
Some needed features to look into building on the expandable Wi-Fi enabled Zune device:
(Listed in order of most important to least)

UPDATED - 7:20 a.m. CST - March 31st, 2008
  • Basic internet capability should be incorporated into communicating with the Zune social. Wi-Fi should be usable anywhere for these basic internet functions, instead of the 1 network as it currently is. The 1 network should still stand for Wirelessly syncing your Zune to your collection, of course; but Zune social things should be accessible from any non-encrypted Wi-Fi.
  • Zune users should be able to receive and send messages to other Zune users on the WiFi wherever they are in a WiFi connection, using a virtual keyboard that one can bring up on command after requesting to either send or reply to a message they've received, or wish to send (think sending a message on Xbox Live...). (The Zunepad can make this really fast and non-time consuming. The Zune 30 could still do this, but the clicking would basically be the same as sending a message on Xbox Live with the controller - but still useful. This gives the inbox feature on the Zune a real killer-app feature.) Note: See this post for specifics: http://forums.zune.net/165744/ShowPost.aspx
  • A sound notification should be enabled to tell a user that they're in an unencrypted(/encrypted) wi-fi zone.
  • Multi-Wi-Fi network selection through the device. Users should be able to choose a specific Wi-Fi network to use on-the-go, from multiple available networks to the device.
  • Zune users should be able to receive messages in their Inbox, and send messages to their buddies on Xbox Live and Windows Messenger - (Xbox Live would be easier to manage, seeing as the Zune Social already incorporates all the Xbox Live buddies associated with one's account onto the Zune social, but Windows Messenger would be really nice too, just not as practical as Xbox Live.)
  • Inbox messages should be able to be fetched independently of syncing a user's Zune. The Zune should be able to connect to the user's profile through the WiFi, and download messages from that. Syncing messages through the software would also be continued, if the device is manually connected.
  • Users should be able to send brief video clips via the share function.
  • Podcast syncing should be able to be completed from the Zune device through the Wi-Fi, independant of the Wirless Sync. Any new podcasts downloaded on-the-go, should be synced back onto the computer from the device, upon the next sync.
  • Zune users should be able to send song recommendations, and photos under a specified file size, to other Zune users, and or Xbox users from the WiFi.
  • Songs plays being recorded to profiles should also go through the Wi-Fi internet onto a user's profile, in addition to each sync, as currently is. (Once the song is synced either, through the Wi-Fi, or the sync, it is not re-added. This prevents duplicates.)
  • The Zune social's friend list should be incorporated and checkable in a WiFi area from the Zune device. This way you can easily send your friends messages, song recommendations, pictures within a certain file size, send them a song, and see their status and what song they're listening to.
  • A user's social status should be changeable from the Zune device, using the same supposed virtual keyboard mentioned earlier.
  • What song the user is currently listening to, if any, should be reflected in their current status, like Windows Live Messenger currently does.
  • Encrypted Wi-Fi should be accessible through the device, by entering the encryption code in the device through the virtual keyboard, while in the desired Wi-Fi area. Users would be limited to the characters and numbers accessible from the Zune keyboard. This would exclude the more secure ASCII character-based network encryptions.This still would allow access to WAP network's, and some specific WEP networks. The user must know the encryption password. (Useful for it the user wants to use their Wi-Fi at an acquaintance's house.)
  • If a clock feature is added, the Zune device should automatically sync its clock with a universal time server upon accessing a Wireless network. This would allow the clock to remain up-to-date on long periods of non-syncing.
  • Zune marketplace access through the Wi-Fi, including song/video purchases. Use of the virtual keyboard mentioned earlier, to search the store. Purchased songs should be synced onto the computer upon the device's next sync.
  • Possible Windows Live Messenger integration, as seen on the Xbox Live network.
  • Use of the Zune device on the Xbox 360, while attached to a computer on the same network, either through the wireless, or USB connection to the PC. The Zune software should stream content from the Zune, to the 360, as a seperate collection, or how the system currently works with the Zune, but through the computer over the network.
Any other features any else would like to add that I'm missing? I'll add them to the list, in order of importance. Anything you disagree with? Let's hear some comments!

- Mike Wi-Fi Enhancements on the Zune Platform

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2/23/2008 03:33:45
re: Wi-Fi Enhancements - More Functionality
I agree completly.  I think that having a basic internet browser would be a great addition to the Zune.  There is a way that it can be done so that it is simple and intuitive.

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2/23/2008 05:25:20
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Having an internet browser seems kind of trivial to have on something like the Zune - I mean it's kind of a joke on the PSP as it is. The internet browser could be for basic emails and other things; but the development times on this would be pretty long.
All I'm saying is that there's no reason the Zune couldn't currently do every single one of the features mentioned above, with some proper programming. It's a real thought to consider on the next firmware device.
Make the WiFi on the Zune the 1-Up on the rest of the market!

- Mike Wi-Fi Enhancements on the Zune Platform

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Join Date: 11/13/2007 14:13:21

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2/25/2008 02:38:51
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I think they need to port Zumobi over, they already own it, it is good for quick views of cached information, and it already runs on the Windows CE platform. Additionally, the interface would be GREAT on the zune.
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2/26/2008 13:23:35
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Yeah. But I still believe that they need to be able to send and receive messages from any Wi-Fi network. All these need is a built in keyboard, that's similar to the one on the Xbox 360.

- Mike Wi-Fi Enhancements on the Zune Platform

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Join Date: 11/13/2007 13:10:00

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2/27/2008 00:57:44
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Yeah, the wifi should definitely be leveraged more. Chiefly, they should support getting online whenever you're in the vicinity of a publicly accessible wifi connection. Not to support internet browsing you understand, but to support the following:

  • Squirting songs to people without them having to be within spitting distance of you (this would require your friends list to be on your device - no biggie, this could be synced from the cloud as well)
  • Syncing podcast subscriptions without having to be near Zune sw
  • Finding people that are nearby you (http://jamiethomson.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!550F681DAD532637!3641.entry)
  • Checking your friends' statuses and what they're listening to (I just noticed that PassMcnasty mentioned this above)
  • Our Zune Social inbox should be synced to our Zune. Thus making Zune Social the world's first social network with a dedicated handheld device.
  • A Windows Live Messenger client on your Zune
  • Buying direct from ZMP
  • Sync photos and videos from RSS feeds on Flickr, Youtube etc...
  • Sync blog RSS feeds thus making Zune into a mobile RSS reader

I'm still a bit skeptical about whether I want a keyboard but assuming the Zune plays catch-up with ipod and introduces a touchscreen in the next version then you can take a keyboard as a given.

-Jamie


<a href="http://tinyurl.com/5nqozw">My Zune blog</a>

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Join Date: 1/31/2008 02:15:01

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2/27/2008 12:59:02
re: Wi-Fi Enhancements - More Functionality
http://forums.zune.net/165744/ShowPost.aspx

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Join Date: 11/13/2007 14:13:21

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2/27/2008 13:19:36
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They could do a lot of that using a sort of embedded VPN. Maybe Microsoft should license Hamachi for this. Every user would have their own network, personal PCs and friends' Zunes should be the nodes.
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Join Date: 2/25/2008 04:01:36

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2/27/2008 19:00:03
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I don't think a web browser would really work. I have the 8525 smart phone (PDA phone) and it hard enough to get around on the web with it, and it’s made for it. But I like the idea of being able to send messages to your friend. I would love it even more to be able to get songs from the ZMP when I'm a Wi-Fi zone. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to listen to a song I didn't have, or how many times a friend told me about a band and I wanted to check them out, but ended up forgetting about them before I got home to do so. It would also be great to make IPod lovers to shut up and stop saying Zune is simply a copy of the IPod. Steve Jobs would be playing catch up on that one. Stick out tongue [:P] I would truthfully be willing to pay a little bit if need to use this, although I would prefer not to. But come on, we all know this would cost a lot of money to set up and maintain. Yeah, I know I just hacked a lot of people off, but let the truth be spoken.


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2/28/2008 14:33:17
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The web browser would we hard to use at first, but if this: http://forums.zune.net/165744/ShowPost.aspx is implemented, it would be a lot easier to navigate, and besides, it would really only be used to do simple things like read webpages, not heavyduty applets and multimedia.

Also, the WiFi marketplace would still need to have a viable text entry method, or else searching for songs on it would still be very hard

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Join Date: 2/25/2008 04:01:36

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2/28/2008 17:43:39
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Yeah going through hours of song list to find that one song you want would be killer. But that could simply be fixed with an on screen keyborard, like they have on XBox live. While I'm thinking of it, it would be cool to be able to get on the Zune Social on the XBox. Any way, I just think that putting a full web broswer would be pointless. I bought my Zune for a mp3 player, not so I could check the weather or something. I just want to be able to download songs from the ZMP when I want to, and not have to go home to do so. If they could fix that up and allow me to use my Zune pass, I would be one happy camper. And after all, isn't it my happines that matters. Smile [:)]

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2/29/2008 02:44:09
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ok sure, the web browser would be hard to use, and some people like you don't particularly want to have a web browser, but that added functionality is in no way pointless, if an equal if not greater amount of people seem to covet it

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