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Started by JBoDEAN96 at 10/27/2009 06:00:20. Topic has 10 replies.
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Join Date: 10/1/2009 02:11:36

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10/27/2009 06:00:20
Please support your product.
The lack of any communication from the company on new software/firmware updates is ridiculous.
Numerous issues on this forum, get 500 reads, no replies from anyone on the development team at all, and go unanswered. Please, SUPPORT YOUR PRODUCT that we paid money for!


Thank You.

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Join Date: 11/13/2007 16:46:59

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10/27/2009 20:30:26
re: Please support your product.
+1

waiting for an auto playlist generator that is at least 1-2 years behind itunes!

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10/28/2009 19:15:36
re: Please support your product.
Obliviously the team just cares about the dollar bill, not their clients. Oh well.

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Join Date: 8/16/2009 13:14:19

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10/29/2009 23:17:07
re: Please support your product.
I wholeheartedly agree.  I've had numerous issues in the past that I never ever got any help for, it is stupid.

I figured they weren't getting to anyone because they were too busy working on Zune HD but now they've got it made, so what the *** are they doing now that they can't answer us?

I still have unresolved issues, some of the others I had to fix myself by hacking the God damn software.  I can't hack the Zune firmware though so ballz on that.

Hell they don't even have any news feeds on what the *** they're working on.

How about that as a site feature eh?  I want to know what the *** you're up to, because it is damn sure not fixing the Zune.

You know what I just noticed?  You can't use the "Contact Moderator/Zune Team" forum.  They locked that *** and it's been locked forever.

It's like they are purposely ignoring us.
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Join Date: 9/25/2009 16:44:02

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10/30/2009 14:27:55
re: Please support your product.
I too would like the developers to provide a "news feed" on what they are working on. This Forum is currently a one way flow of information from users to the Zune Developments team. How about some feed back from the developers to their client base (zune users) to let us know that our concerns are being addressed?
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Join Date: 5/22/2008 17:52:44

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11/1/2009 15:04:15
re: Please support your product.
Well, occasionally the team does in fact respond in the forums. Here's one example:

http://forums.zune.net/529064/ShowPost.aspx

However, if you are expecting some kind of feed regarding what they are working on, my guess is you're going to be sorely disappointed. Any corporate software venture has to play this kind of thing close to the vest. The reason for that is twofold: They don't want to make any promises they can't keep, and they don't want to be tied to a particular timeline. If they told you they were working on something, but it took longer than they wanted it to, or some other feature/bug took precedence over it, and the next patch didn't include it, you'd be even more upset than if they had told you nothing, since you would feel like they had broken a promise. Ditto for if they told you a fix would be done by a particular time, and it was delivered much later.

(In the case I linked to above, my guess is that the fix for it has already been built, tested, and scheduled to be included in the next patch. I don't thing my post was the first time they'd heard of it.)

They need the flexibility to craft their software as they see fit. Making promises to users in forums dramatically reduces that flexibility. You might believe that a particular fix is paramount, but the Zune team has a much bigger picture than you do regarding the needs of their software. If you believe that their response is inadequate, then you have the power to tell them what you think of their decision-making in two ways: (a) Tell them in the forums, and (b) switch to a different player.

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Join Date: 9/25/2009 16:44:02

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11/2/2009 06:58:30
re: Please support your product.

ZJ AJ

As your example showed the team does pre-announce developments when it suites their purpose. Here's another example that I came across:

"Microsoft indicates that more apps are on the way, saying that “later this year” we can expect Twitter for Zune, Facebook for Zune, and 3-D games including “Project Gotham Racing: Ferrari Edition,” “Vans Sk8: Pool Service” and “Audiosurf™ Tilt.”

 

I believe that particular announcement was made around the time Zune HD was launched. The apps were clearly not ready or they would have been released at launch. The Zune HD team felt it was adventageous to let potential users know what is in the works because that knowledge was likely to induce additional unit sales. They didn't seem to have any fear of being "tied to a particular time line" or "making promises they can't keep." They understand very well the differences between a potential customer and an existing user. They also know that after investing $290 in the Zune platform it's difficult to just "switch to a different player" (as you suggested). So they choose not to share with users what fixes and features are being worked on. That shows a complete lack of respect for the Zune user community.

 

There really isn't any good reason why the development team couldn't give their us feed back on fixes and features. Some features (i.e. Digital Copy support) have been discussed in these forums by users and ignored by the Zune team for over one year. I think the reasons you gave for why the Zune team does not communicate with users were bogus and an insult to Zune users. I think it is much better to know that a feature is being worked on even if it is delivered much later than originally estimated than to not know if that feature will ever be delivered.

 

I'm still new to the forums and I hope I'm not out of line, (please tell me if I am) but, are you a Microsoft employee?

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11/2/2009 15:18:21
re: Please support your product.
6 day old post, no update from anyone on the Zune HD team. Why am I not surprised....
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Join Date: 5/22/2008 17:52:44

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11/2/2009 15:39:58
re: Please support your product.
 uplandiam wrote:
I'm still new to the forums and I hope I'm not out of line, (please tell me if I am) but, are you a Microsoft employee?
I am not a Microsoft employee. However, I am a software engineer that develops commercial software.

 uplandiam wrote:
As your example showed the team does pre-announce developments when it suites their purpose. Here's another example that I came across:

"Microsoft indicates that more apps are on the way, saying that “later this year” we can expect Twitter for Zune, Facebook for Zune, and 3-D games includig “Project Gotham Racing: Ferrari Edition,” “Vans Sk8: Pool Service” and “Audiosurf™ Tilt.”
There's a big difference between marketing fluff and bug fixes/feature tweaks, though. I don't think responding that they're working on a bug fix is the same thing as announcing new features (which, really, is all an app is). And like I said, I'm sure that they'd already identified and fixed that bug before I even mentioned it.

 uplandiam wrote:
The Zune HD team felt it was adventageous to let potential users know what is in the works because that knowledge was likely to induce additional unit sales.
You make it sound like the people who write the software are the same people who write the press releases. If I had to guess, I would guess that Mcheza and jetherealz (who were kind enough to respond in the thread I mentioned earlier) have nothing to do with what the press releases say.

 uplandiam wrote:
So they choose not to share with users what fixes and features are being worked on. That shows a complete lack of respect for the Zune user community.
Hardly. These forums are to "get help from expert Zune users" or to "share your ideas with the Zune development team." They never claimed to be anything more. I've never been to their forums before, but my guess is that the iPod forums are equally silent about what fixes and features are being worked on.
 
 uplandiam wrote:
Some features (i.e. Digital Copy support) have been discussed in these forums by users and ignored by the Zune team for over one year.
And that tells you all you need to know: Don't hold your breath for that feature. They made movies available for renting and downloading from the Marketplace instead. They never claimed to have Digital Copy support when the Zune was released, and they've never said anything anywhere about ever adding this feature. Personally, I think that's short-sighted and unfortunate, but that's the way they've decided to play it. However, they've covered themselves by not announcing anything about it. You can't say you bought a Zune because it had (or you thought it would have) Digital Copy support, because it's never had it and they've never announced it.

 uplandiam wrote:
I think it is much better to know that a feature is being worked on even if it is delivered much later than originally estimated than to not know if that feature will ever be delivered.
And you are entitled to that opinion. However, you are a patient and understanding person. Look through the forums for people who are still waiting for the Marketplace to be available in Canada - they've been working on it for almost two years now, and the posts from those users are not very patient or understanding at all. If they'd never announced that the Marketplace would be available in Canada one day, those folks wouldn't be so upset, because there would be no expectations.

Think about Digital Copy support again - if they announced it would show up in the future (but gave no date), and you bought the player because you thought it would be there eventually, how long would you wait? A month? A year? Two years? After how long would you be so upset that they pre-announced something that they probably fully intended to deliver, but for whatever reason weren't able to within some arbitrary timeframe, that you would abandon the player? My guess is that it's less time than if they'd never announced it at all.

 uplandiam wrote:
I think the reasons you gave for why the Zune team does not communicate with users were bogus and an insult to Zune users.
There's nothing bogus about it at all. Setting up a feed that told users which fixes and features were being worked on would be to set expectations that those features would be delivered one day. It sets up a dynamic where users would expect, and then demand, that those features be delivered within some arbitrary timeframe. The problem is, it's entirely possible that those features would either take much longer to be delivered than expected, or would be delayed because some other feature took precedence, or would be abandoned altogether for some reason. How would you feel if they told you they were working on some feature, and then some months later that they had to abandon it, or that it got reprioritized such that it wouldn't be delivered any time soon? You would feel betrayed, because your expectations were set and not met. Better to have never mentioned it at all, because then at least you shouldn't have had any expectations.

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Join Date: 9/25/2009 16:44:02

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11/2/2009 18:49:52
re: Please support your product.

Fair enough. Thanks for providing your insight as a software engineer.

 

I think you're right about the zune team silence telling us all we need to know.

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11/10/2009 08:19:15
re: Please support your product.

Umm  

I'd like to thank the person who quoted a request for support and the response from Zune.. It's good they saw the problem.. are or have worked on it..  and the fix will be out later.. 

But I think the general frustration is in having a 6 month update cycle. When a serious bug found on such a personal entertainment platform like the Zune, 6 months is a long time to wait for a fix.. And customers go in and out of a lot of stores were electronics are sold in a 6 month period..

I am NOT a programmer..  So I am not going to say.. 'oh, you can easily do this.. or do that'..  I only ask..  can this be done? Is it possible?

So.. I ask.  Could the Zune team write bug specific patches like Microsoft itself does for the operating systems?  And include them in Patch Tuesday?. And reserve feature additions for the normal development cycle?

I think if this can be done..  the Zune users will see on a monthly basis that something is happening.. and know if their bug wasn't fixed this month, maybe next month it will be...   It has to be better than waiting 4-6 months...?

 

 

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