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Started by RangRangRang at 8/8/2008 07:12:21. Topic has 13 replies.
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8/8/2008 07:12:21
new question about internet on zune.

so i know right now there's no zune internet browser. dont bother posting just to say that. I KNOW.

I just wondered if anybody was actually working on it. nobody's said it was impossible. but is anybody actually trying?

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Join Date: 8/6/2008 00:12:49

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8/8/2008 18:20:10
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Yea i have been wondering the same thing to. I really want someone to make an internet browser.

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Join Date: 1/6/2008 03:05:59

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8/10/2008 21:44:29
re: new question about internet on zune.
 RangRangRang wrote:


 nobody's said it was impossible.



check around zune boards... definatly impossible, at least until maybe full games integration.

the wifi only grants acess to other zunes in game mode

zune 30...with 100gb samsung hdd

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Join Date: 11/13/2007 12:57:01

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8/10/2008 22:37:59
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I think its close to impossible, being as Microsoft hasn't unleashed the code to unlock the WiFi for the Zune.  I'm sure someone(s) could if they had enough experience and time.  If Zune ever makes a touchscreen version (like the iPod Touch) it might have that capability.  I'm not sure that it will though, or even if Microsoft will ever make a touchscreen version.

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Join Date: 11/17/2007 00:43:32

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8/21/2008 16:10:36
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From a current hardware and firmware standpoint, it's impossible. The device simply does not have the hardware capabilities to make it an enjoyable experiance, and the firmware does not support any methods to attempt to offset that. We're a long ways off from internet capabilities. Maybe in the 3.X era we'll see it, but not before then.   
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Join Date: 11/22/2007 16:37:56

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8/23/2008 17:49:25
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The zune can handle the internet.  Microsoft has to release the code to wifi or make the application themselves.  Any device with wifi can handle the internet.  It would be quite efficient.  You could save all your favorite sites on your computer and then sync them.  Then typing won't take so long.  A touch sensitive keyboard isn't really that bad.  The Nintendo DS has internet... and it is a lot more primitive than the zune!

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Join Date: 11/17/2007 00:43:32

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8/26/2008 16:25:04
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 Rockman8787 wrote:
The zune can handle the internet.  Microsoft has to release the code to wifi or make the application themselves.  Any device with wifi can handle the internet.  It would be quite efficient.  You could save all your favorite sites on your computer and then sync them.  Then typing won't take so long.  A touch sensitive keyboard isn't really that bad.  The Nintendo DS has internet... and it is a lot more primitive than the zune!

 

The DS has a good bit more RAM then the Zune, and the lack of RAM is what I see as being the biggest hang up for trying to do an internet browser on the Zune. If you think it's not an issue, program me a internet browser in XNA that uses less then 32 megs of RAM and then we'll talk. 

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8/30/2008 17:27:46
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 The Great 5iN wrote:
From a current hardware and firmware standpoint, it's impossible. The device simply does not have the hardware capabilities to make it an enjoyable experiance, and the firmware does not support any methods to attempt to offset that. We're a long ways off from internet capabilities. Maybe in the 3.X era we'll see it, but not before then.   
Dude, i'm sorry to say, you're wrong. The closest i've seen to a Zune internet browser was the ZIM app on Zune boards. However, the wifi and the Zune hardware/firmware combo is fully capable of handling a web browser. The only things missing would be a logical keypad, but with 2nd gen Zunes and they're innovative touch pad, it wouldn't be that hard to incorporate a mouse, and a keyboard that you can enter letters and symbols with much the same way you can on ZIM. It would be completely capable of handling a watered down version of a browser without flash or Java integration(Lame, i know, but still progress nonetheless...) much like the Opera browser for the DS.
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8/31/2008 22:10:17
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 Arukeh wrote:
 The Great 5iN wrote:
From a current hardware and firmware standpoint, it's impossible. The device simply does not have the hardware capabilities to make it an enjoyable experiance, and the firmware does not support any methods to attempt to offset that. We're a long ways off from internet capabilities. Maybe in the 3.X era we'll see it, but not before then.   
Dude, i'm sorry to say, you're wrong. The closest i've seen to a Zune internet browser was the ZIM app on Zune boards. However, the wifi and the Zune hardware/firmware combo is fully capable of handling a web browser. The only things missing would be a logical keypad, but with 2nd gen Zunes and they're innovative touch pad, it wouldn't be that hard to incorporate a mouse, and a keyboard that you can enter letters and symbols with much the same way you can on ZIM. It would be completely capable of handling a watered down version of a browser without flash or Java integration(Lame, i know, but still progress nonetheless...) much like the Opera browser for the DS.

AdHoc texting is significantly different from a web browser. The best the Zune would be able to do with it's current hardware is the horribly stripped down Mobile Web that you see on crappy cell phones. Simply put, any data on a web page that you visit would be stored in the RAM memory of the device. As the Zune only has maybe, 32 megs of RAM, the device would have to do a RAM dump between every web page in order to keep the device from crashing. You home PC keeps information stored in it's RAM memory to keep load times down (such as Google's logo). Now, due to lack of RAM space, every Google page you went to (including each search result page), the device would have to download the image over and over again. This causes load times to be EXTREMELY slow. Now, you COULD allocate some of the hard drive as temporary RAM. However, these hard drives are no where near as fast as RAM and add additional time as the drive spins up, finds, and reads the data on the hard disk before it goes to the processor.

This doesn't even factor in potential security vunerabilities, hardware failures due to additional stress to the hard disk, and keeping the software's RAM usage low enough to not greatly impact the browsing experiance.

And citing the Nintendo DS and it's Opera browser as an example is a weak argument, as the DS is significantly more powerful "under the hood" in comparison to the Zune.

 

Instead of focusing on an internet browser, why not focus on the ability to access the Zune Marketplace and download files directly to the Zune via WiFi? This would be significantly less intense on the Zune, and would be a more practical feature.   

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Join Date: 11/22/2007 16:37:56

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9/2/2008 00:33:14
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Youtube would be a great addition too, even if we didn't get a web browser.  It would be nice to stream youtube videos.

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Join Date: 5/21/2008 01:37:42

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9/15/2008 15:57:44
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I don't know how popular wifi marketplace would be. How many people actually buy music...

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Join Date: 11/17/2007 00:43:32

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9/17/2008 03:33:41
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Well, it went live in the 3.0 software update this morning (thanks Microsoft, BTW). And, well, frankly with the Zune Pass I use the hell out of it.
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