Sync Issues / Updating Songs

 Bill Pet wrote:

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am i correct in assuming the backwards compatibility was removed when i unchecked that option and resaved my files?

i'll be buried in my tags in the meantime lol.

Probably.  But the issue wasn't backwards compatibility per se...I think it was that you needed to upgrade to ID3V2.3.  I believe the ID3v1 tags are still there for backwards compatibility unless you uncheck the option.  (That in itself may cause you a problem, if you have some other application that can't support ID3v2.3...but that would be unusual- it would have to be antique software.)

then it was right....

both id3v1 and id3v2 with the sub catagory id3v2.3 utf-16 bulleted 

indicates that the id3v2.3 with utf-16 tags are used and are backwards compatible with id3v1.

i have unchecked the id3v1 option completely and resaved the files which should make them only id3v2.3 utf-16.  just to remove any doubt or misunderstanding on my part.

I have been following this forum with great interest as I also have sync issues.  I have a 120GB Zune. My music is located in 3 local folders (Zune Country, Zune Oldies, Zune Polkas) which are also on my monitored list, however, I use manual sync.

I open Zune software, Ctr-A all titles (23,465) to select them, then drag them to my Zune. This process takes about 8 hours versus the over 24 hours that auto-sync takes. The problem: 18052 files transfer and 5,413 do not. All music is from my personal CD collection so DRM is not an issue. All were ripped with Creative MediaSource Manger for consistency, at a 192KB bit rate.  I've checked several of the files that did not transfer using Mp3Tag and all tagging appears to be proper, i.e. Name, Artist, etc.

What is particularly irritating, I can go to Collection, drag the selection over to my Zune to sync. The software says it is adding the song but it does not, even after repeated attempts.  No error message is presented on the screen so one would assume the transfer was done properly.

Edit: Digging into status, all of the files I tried to transfer posted error C00D11CD.

Is there a way to force such a transfer, or does anyone have any other suggestions?

Dave

 ded1945 wrote:

I have been following this forum with great interest as I also have sync issues.  I have a 120GB Zune. My music is located in 3 local folders (Zune Country, Zune Oldies, Zune Polkas) which are also on my monitored list, however, I use manual sync.

I open Zune software, Ctr-A all titles (23,465) to select them, then drag them to my Zune. This process takes about 8 hours versus the over 24 hours that auto-sync takes. The problem: 18052 files transfer and 5,413 do not. All music is from my personal CD collection so DRM is not an issue. All were ripped with Creative MediaSource Manger for consistency, at a 192KB bit rate.  I've checked several of the files that did not transfer using Mp3Tag and all tagging appears to be proper, i.e. Name, Artist, etc.

What is particularly irritating, I can go to Collection, drag the selection over to my Zune to sync. The software says it is adding the song but it does not, even after repeated attempts.  No error message is presented on the screen so one would assume the transfer was done properly.

Edit: Digging into status, all of the files I tried to transfer posted error C00D11CD.

Is there a way to force such a transfer, or does anyone have any other suggestions?

Dave

Ahhh....sounds just like Bill's problem.  I'd suggest you try this process:

1) remove the 2 larger folders from your monitored folder list.
2) run the media collection reset tool, or rename zunestore.sdf.  See earlier threads here for instructions and explanation.
3) Sync.  see if you can get a smaller chunk of your collection to sync completely.
4) Add another folder..repeat....including step 2 if you get hosed again by an incomplete sync.
5) go back and try the third folder.

You may want to insert a step at the beginning, and set to smart sync all as an alternative, too, unless it's just too slow.  Then switch back (or not) to manual at the end...

do you have subfolders under your 3 main folders?

according to testing so far, you must have track number, track name, artist name, album name, album artist if you want to transfer more than 50 files at a time.

if you have subfolders under your 3 main folders then odds are, even if you have all of that, you will see the software choke.

 

revisit your tags with wmp or itunes and see if they are as clean as you think.

if they aren't being shown in the software with a small transfer then your tags are most likely too incomplete.

if they aren't being sync'd to the device and your tags are good, i'd start looking into other factors.

also make sure everything you want is in the software before you even bother trying to sync.

My path is:  f:Zune Country, f:Zune Oldies, F:Zune Polkas no subfolders on any of these.

I can open any of the files that refuse to transfer with Media Monkey or Mp3Tag and those I've checked look OK. All the files were ripped using Creative MediaSource at the 192KB rate and all are from my CD collection, so no DRM involved.

Dave

if those locations transfer some of the files, then its valid...although if they are on the same pc & drive they should all read the same:

F:\Zune___

 

i'm not sure about the mm settings, but i know that editing tags with mp3tag does not always set the tag in stone.  this isn't so much with music i've ripped personally via eac, freedb, and edited with mp3tag as it was for internet or converted music.

if you don't have any subfolders after the initial folder, then you illiminate one possible cause.

 

its not about the drm, but it is about the tags for you i think too.  the creative mediasource may be keeping the tags from being properly edited, take a look at them in wmp and see what info is missing and what info is wrong.  if you want to, do it only for the ones that aren't recognized by the software.

 Bill Pet wrote:

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its not about the drm, but it is about the tags for you i think too.  the creative mediasource may be keeping the tags from being properly edited, take a look at them in wmp and see what info is missing and what info is wrong.  if you want to, do it only for the ones that aren't recognized by the software.

Instead of just looking at them in WMP, use the 'find album info' function and let it retag.  (It will give you a few options and you will have to select the right choice.)  The online database WMP uses is slightly different than the one the same function in the zune software uses (you can try that one too) and is very extensive.

nice tip mike!  i think i've subconsciously removed that from my brain due to the drastically bad results i used to get, but the database is MUCH improved over the years.

 

i'm guessing if they don't return then the last tip worked?  sometimes i think ppl just fall off the face of the earth lol.

 

UPDATE:

 

i've been able to dupe this issue on a completely independent network.

still working with my tags in my master collection, but

--the last large collection sync test went 17,051 of 17,2xx  this improvement was largely due to the addition of the track number tag

--the last two small collection tests just verified what we already knew

----if the tags are perfect then the location name length/folder configuration makes no difference, if not then shorter names for each directory are required

----consistantly misses the first few tracks of most albums when missing track name and track number tags, and outside the main tags i can find no differences which make an effect. (i'm not taking out all of my artist and album names)

 Bill Pet wrote:

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UPDATE:

i've been able to dupe this issue on a completely independent network.

still working with my tags in my master collection, but

--the last large collection sync test went 17,051 of 17,2xx  this improvement was largely due to the addition of the track number tag

--the last two small collection tests just verified what we already knew

----if the tags are perfect then the location name length/folder configuration makes no difference, if not then shorter names for each directory are required

----consistently misses the first few tracks of most albums when missing track name and track number tags, and outside the main tags i can find no differences which make an effect. (i'm not taking out all of my artist and album names)

This just doesn't make much sense to me.  I can't think of any reason why missing a tag field (especially something like the track number...) should make a difference like this.  I'm stumped... obviously there is some link - I just wonder what & why.

the way i see it...

it almost assuredly has to do with the software's advance read of the tags (across a network loaction) before it imports the file information.

no other software (including i-tunes) misses a single file...even when all tag information is blank, illegal, wrong, or whatever when in any configuration on my network (this includes folder configurations as well).

the better the tags, the better the zune software does, no question about that.

 

i've pretty much given up further testing until i have my tags finished within my master file, with no input there are still loads of things to look at in regards to this issue....perhaps is just to the two missing tags in a row? who knows.

I'm one who posted earlier. I haven't fallen off the earth, but I haven't done all the suggested tips either. If I have to create new folders and go through all that I'm not encouraged. As another poster said, my collection currently is imported fine into Media Monkey, Mp3Tag, and other programs without problems, and without restructuring.  Zune needs to fix their problems.  My folders are all local so no network issues involved.

I've looked at some of the files that wouldn't import and all the MP3 tagging was there and correct, yet I get the dreaded C00DC11D error. There are no DRM issues.  A Google search shows lots of folks are having the same issues.

One thing I've done is load my Zune manually. Then I turned on Auto-Sync with the my selecting songs option. The songs still don't sync but at least now I can build and load playlists unto my Zune.

Perhaps the Zune developers should look at how Media Monkey does things so seamlessly. If only MM would transfer files to the Zune! I like my Zune but am frustrated by the lack of progress on fixes to the software.

Dave