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6/3/2009 22:33:05
Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
Do you agree? I think with the amount of bluetooth objects coming out or already out this should be a must include technology for the Zune HD. Bluetooth headphones for wireless listening, car radio's that are bluetooth enabled for wireless sync to your car audio system, home stereo, PS3 etc etc etc.

Unfortunatly any mention of the zune HD spec make no mention of wether it has bluetooth or not. I know for some this may not be a big deal but in my workplace a set of wires dangling from your neck is a big safety no-no. So wireless headphones are a must or at least close enough to it.

It seems I can only find one or two players that have bluetooth and one one that has both bluetooth and wi-fi and that's the Ipod touch and I refuse to buy one of those things based on the horridness of  iTunes and quicktime alone.

The frustrating bit is I can't even find an area or email address to make my voice heard to microsoft short of these forums. I really like the Zune HD but bluetooth is going to be a deciding factor for me on wether or not I buy it, if not I'll probably end up with a samsung P3 or PSP Go  since it will have both bluetooth and wi-fi. Its 2009 for pete's sake and I just dont understand why companys have trouble grasping that their portable devices need BOTH of these important and widely used technologies designed into their portable media devices.
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6/4/2009 01:27:52
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
 Portablewolf wrote:
Do you agree? [snipped] 
Sorry, no I don't agree.  Bluetooth is low bandwidth...the original std is 1Mbit/second, and the newer version is still only 3Mbits/second.  Not good enough for music, and not even intended to support music...  It's good enough for phone audio, and file transfers with PCs (slowly...) but not good enough to play music without skipping, except possibly in ideal conditions and very low bit rate files.  I agree with you that wireless headphones would be nice but Bluetooth isn't the solution.
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6/4/2009 07:56:33
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
Well, I admit i didn't know that. But until they start making wi-fi head phones I dont see a better way of getting wireless audio.
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6/7/2009 01:44:28
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
I'm going to have to agree. Me going towards a Zune will be dependent on if it has bluetooth. I don't want to go towards the iTouch / iPhone if possible, since I hate using iTunes. I'm currently stuck using just my laptop for music, after having a first gen Zune and the 3G iPhone.
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6/7/2009 14:45:54
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
 Personalife wrote:
I'm going to have to agree. Me going towards a Zune will be dependent on if it has bluetooth. I don't want to go towards the iTouch / iPhone if possible, since I hate using iTunes. I'm currently stuck using just my laptop for music, after having a first gen Zune and the 3G iPhone.
Did you even read the earlier posts in this thread...?  No announcement has been made about bluetooth that I know of, so yes it could happen. But I seriously doubt it for technical reasons...
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6/7/2009 15:03:56
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
I agree, that would be good to have

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6/8/2009 00:43:25
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
You know, you don't need to berate people for saying it's something they would like to have.

Also,  I honestly don't understand how 1 0r 3 Mb a sec isn't enough for music streaming, if I can stream music over a relatively slow internet connection at say 512Kb a second, why wouldn't bluetooth be fast enough? Not to mention bluetooth 3.0  just came out a little bit ago which supposed to be able to handle even more data.
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6/8/2009 02:09:29
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
 Portablewolf wrote:
You know, you don't need to berate people for saying it's something they would like to have.

Also,  I honestly don't understand how 1 0r 3 Mb a sec isn't enough for music streaming, if I can stream music over a relatively slow internet connection at say 512Kb a second, why wouldn't bluetooth be fast enough? Not to mention bluetooth 3.0  just came out a little bit ago which supposed to be able to handle even more data.
I didn't berate anyone...but you'll have to agree it is strange to see folks post in a forum without reading the prior posts.  Wireless headphones would certainly be a nice option... but bluetooth is not the solution.
And to answer your question...bluetooth transmits at 1mW to 100mW, for very short ranges only, by design.  It's intended only for low bandwidth applications...and you can't assume it can hit or maintain 1Mb/sec...that is the maximum capability under ideal conditions (the 3Mb spec was only just ratified in April by the way.)  It typically can only maintain much less.  Then you have to consider overhead (framing, etc., and error correction) which reduces the effective bandwidth substantially.  And finally, remember that digital music (raw not compressed) is encoded into 16 bit words, at a 44.1KHz rate, or approx. 700Kbps... it just doesn't fit into a bluetooth application very well.   Your 512Kb internet connection works because it buffers the (compressed) stream...something that headphones cannot do.
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6/8/2009 22:34:52
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
Actually with A2DP (a profile of Bluetooth), this is completely possible. My car stereo is Bluetooth 1.2 and with A2DP, I get high quality stereo audio.
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6/9/2009 01:38:56
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 ACiD GRiM wrote:
Actually with A2DP (a profile of Bluetooth), this is completely possible. My car stereo is Bluetooth 1.2 and with A2DP, I get high quality stereo audio.
If you say so...the experts say it just isn't very good yet... because of bit rate limitations.  To me, that implies 256Kbps and up, and preferably VBR.  It seems that the current state of the art is down around 128Kbps or even less depending on how new the products are.
http://www.audiodesignline.com/howto/205915411;jsessionid=L0FNY0211H0D2QSNDLPCKH0CJUNN2JVN?pgno=1
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6/9/2009 02:56:51
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
put on your headphones, slip your zune under your shirt and into your pocket. BAM! you've just saved yourself 70 bucks. The wireless craze is a ripoff. I've used tons of wireless keyboards, mice, and headsets, and despite the much higher price, the wireless versions were inferior to their wired counterparts.

Mine's larger.

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Join Date: 6/10/2009 01:04:50

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6/10/2009 01:44:47
re: Zune HD...It needs bluetooth
I definitely agree, every new mp3 player needs blue-tooth. They're probably going to release a blue tooth adapter but a built-in one is a must.


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