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Join Date: 1/11/2008 18:39:31

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2/2/2008 04:28:18
Software refuses to add valid mp3 files

I'll save you having to read fifty paragraphs about how the Zune software blows.  We all know this.  But I'm holding out a desperate hope that there might be a solution to my particular problem.

Yes, latest ver of the software on both the PC and the Zune.  Vista Business fully updated.

I've got a lot of multipart .MP3 podcast files that aren't downloadable via the software (don't bother; getting them on the podcast list won't solve this issue).  I therefore have downoaded them to disk.  But I can't add all of them to the collection list.

The files aren't corrupted.  They are all 96kbps.  They all play both in WMP11, Winamp, whatever the hell you want to play it in.  Yes, even in the Zune player.  If I associate mp3s with the Zune software and double-click the file plays in the actual Zune software.  This is part of the reason why I want to do unspeakable things to those responsible for the software, preferrably with a #2 pencil and in a locked room.

So the mp3 files aren't corrupted and can be played on the Zune software.  Great.  So I try to add them to the collection so I can sync them with the Zune.  You see, the Zune is a crippled piece of hardware.  I can't just plug it in and copy my content over.  No, that would be convenient.  I first have to add the files to my "collection", which I guess is analogous to a bag of ***, and then sync this bag of *** with the player.

So I grab the filenames in Explorer.  I select them using the superior click-shift-click method we all know and love.  I then drag them over on top of the Zune software and release my mouse button.  This is called a drag-drop operation.  And, in a normal piece of software, would result in the application involved in the "drop" portion of this operation to add the files "dragged" from the originating application.  This usually results in all of the items from application A showing up in application B, or in this case, all the files from Explorer showing up in the Zune software within the forementioned "bag of ***". 

Again, all of these files were played previously in the Zune software.  You would think that all files would show up in the Zune collection.

You would be wrong.

No, a few of the files show up.  Maybe number 3, possibly number 7 as well.  But not all of them.  Why?  Because Zune hates me.  Hates me down to my toes.  Deep, spiteful hate that usually manifests itself in rubbing the toothbrush of the object of one's hate along the inner thigh, where it meets the genital region.  However, because the Zune software doesn't have a genital region (the ONLY thing we have to thank the developers for), it just spitefully refuses to add files to the collection that it obviously, demonstrably should.

A more detailed description of its hateful act:  I do the drag drop thing.  The Zune software says "Adding media... 12 items found".  Awesome.  I dragged and dropped 12 items.  *** awesome.  No, wait...  Only five files were added!  Numbers 2,7,9,11 and 12.  So I delete them and try again.  Exact same thing happens.

The really annoying thing is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO FEEDBACK AS TO WHY THIS HAPPENED.  Not even a goddamn event in the log saying "this file suxorz lol".  NOTHING. 

Now, what I'd like to know is, why exactly shouldn't I delete this POS software and smash my Zune to bits on the carport?  Is there any workarounds?  ANYTHING?  DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN ANYTHING AT ALL?????

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Join Date: 11/23/2007 13:01:04

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2/2/2008 05:12:52
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Yeah I've come across the bug where Zune will add all of explorer into the software, it's sad to hear it's still around in v2.3. However, this sounds like something the software will do to similarly tagged tracks, which is very v2.2. What about adding the tracks individually? If you do that, do one of the other tracks you added disappear? And what if you simply added the folder that your podcasts are in as a monitored folder under the settings area of the software?

Personally I wonder why only the middle area is the only drag and drop hotspot. It's never communicated by the software and dragging to any of the other two areas should do just as fine becasue they're all associated with each other.

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Join Date: 1/11/2008 18:39:31

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2/2/2008 06:28:52
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I definitely dropped the files.  You can only drop on the collection screen it appears.  It does tell me that I did drop X number of files.  It just doesn't add them.  I do believe that it has something to do with tags. 

I can hardly believe these idiots relied so much on tags.  Tags are NOT a first class citizen of the OS!  You need another app to properly deal with tags.  Filenames, however, ARE a first class citizen.  You can't have two files with the same name.  If you base your collection on filenames (or rather file paths) you are guaranteed not to have issues.  But NOOOOO!  The Zune team decided that its the shitty file metadata that everybody ignores or can't figure out how the *** to set correctly that will be the keystone to the Zune software.  Because they are dumb, no doubt.  Thanks to them, I have to examine each and every file I want to put on the Zune and make sure its *** stupid ass Album Artist Whateverthefuck tag is set to the exact right value lest ALL HELL BREAK LOOSE.  Have I mentioned I hate the Zune team at MS?  Have I said how much they suck as developers?  Their software might look great, but its so crippled and poorly engineered that its near goddamn useless, thus rendering the hardware useless.  Specfuckingtacular, guys.

 

UPDATE!

 

Setting the Genre to Podcast somehow magically makes the Zune software recognize 100% of my files!  That's right.  All the mp3 files that were skipped by the Zune software when I added them to the collection before, now that they are marked with the Genre of Podcast, are now added to my collection under Podcasts.

What. The. ***. Hell.

An mp3 isn't a valid file when its Genre is set to Voice, or Pop, or ANYTHING... but it IS when its set to Podcast???????

You have got to be kidding me.

I've coded better ON THE *** TOILET.  No lie.  Laptop on my bare knees I've created better quality applications than this steaming pile of ***.  Be proud, Zune team.  You guys suck ass like no other. 

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Join Date: 1/11/2008 18:39:31

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2/2/2008 06:31:14
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Did I mention I'm burning with the level of outrage and hatred that only a grand master Internet Tough Guy can reach?  And what power level is that?  Well.... according to the scouter....  ITS OVER 9000!!!!!

 

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Join Date: 11/15/2007 00:25:01

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2/2/2008 08:10:48
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Funny ass post!  But I feel your frustration. I'm currently in the process of using mp3tag and retagging every single file in my music collection so hopefully I can get my damn songs organized properly on the Zune. Having to take so much time just to do this bullshit is ridiculous and a further display of the utter lack of ingenuity that went into this product!
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Join Date: 11/13/2007 11:07:36

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2/2/2008 12:42:14
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YesThatMcgurk I feel you're pain. I'm having the same problem :(

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Join Date: 11/14/2007 02:01:14

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2/2/2008 15:28:02
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Don't bother Monstrous.  It's just a waste of time.  I've done mine several times and it's still screws them up.
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Join Date: 2/2/2008 16:51:15

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2/2/2008 17:10:37
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Well, I guess I'm in a similar situation. How is it that when I add albums to the "collection" as it were, some .mp3 files don't appear in the "collection"?

Example: I am looking at When I Look In Your Eyes from Diana Krall. This is something I purchased long long ago in a store, so it's legit.
There are 13 tracks total, yet tracks 01, 04, 06, 08 and 11 don't show up in the collection. Anyone know how this can be remedied?
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Join Date: 12/21/2007 19:11:20

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2/2/2008 18:27:32
re: Software refuses to add valid mp3 files

I have not seen anything posted that really works to fix this, but I have experienced a similar problem.  I have seen this with regards to a few of my "albums" which I "ripped" from CD's that I personally own.  Some have suggested that this is a "metadata" issue, but these tracks do not appear to have any metadata problems.  Out of 6 tracks, three of them (3, 4 & 5) are the exact same size.  Each one has a different file name, title and track number.  Only one of the three will show up in the collection.  All of the other mp3 applications that I have recognize all six tracks.  I've tried to "drag & drop" to the album, but what will happen is that instead of displaying tracks 1, 2, 3, and 6, after the "drag & drop" it will display tracks 1, 2, 4 and 6.

Check the file sizes of the tracks and see if two or more match in size.

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Join Date: 11/29/2007 06:09:41

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2/3/2008 01:36:09
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 Joel5992 wrote:
Don't bother Monstrous.  It's just a waste of time.  I've done mine several times and it's still screws them up.

 

Same here. I don't know if it's some kind of memory thing with Zune, but anything that's messed up now will be messed up forever. I have went so far as to re-rip a cd in a different format, different bitrate, slightly changed the names of the albums and songs, and they still went back to the wrong spot! They were tagged prpperly the first time which makes it worse, although the problems almost make sense with the songs coming from cd a wanting to go back to the a, insted of the new customed tagged disc b I want them in. It worked on the old software dangit!

For 98% of these I had to go download different versions, re-tag them in an unmonitored folder, then bring them in. As long as i get the tags right to begin with, everything is fine. One mistake and the file is forever f**ked once the software has read it. Also anything ripped from a cd can't be tagged as anything else.

By the way, I'm only editing by right-clicking, properties, summary, advanced, enter proper info and save from the folder I dl to. I got the tag program but haven't ran it yet since this was working so well, but still have a handful of local artists I can't go download, who's disc info is set wrong in the Zune software. Gonna try a thrid-party computer with properly tagged songs brought in on another self-burned cd in guest mode.


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Join Date: 11/15/2007 00:25:01

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2/3/2008 09:01:42
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I've retagged about 1,300+ songs individually. Now, guess what?  The *** Zune is STILL registering some files improperly.  WHAT THE ***!?!?!?  I've already manipulated both folders in the Appdata, as well as retagged the files, and the *** is STILL *** up? Jeezus bleeping Christ!!!!!!!
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Join Date: 11/23/2007 13:01:04

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2/3/2008 19:41:59
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monster,
post pictures, please

Edit: I've added this to the Sync Issues thread.

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