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st0icr4ven wrote:how is it a design flaw? You "unbalance" the touchpad it's going to do strange things (why are you using two fingers anyways).
Alcuin
Alcuin29 wrote:I cannot believe I actually am going to explain this. You see, the idea behind the touch pad is to design an intuitive, easy to use interface that is simplistic and perhaps even enjoyable to use. If your design ends up producing something that does not take into account the way a sizeable population of people might use the device, and therefore behaves oddly or counterintuitively as a result, it is considered a design flaw. Look up Zune on engadget or any number of commercial or user reviews. A large number of people who turn off the touch pad, because they find it unnecessary and simply want to use the buttons find it strange that if another finger is touching the pad when they click up or click down, it does not behave as expected. Engadget actually praises the touch pad as one of the best interfaces for an mp3 player, but also makes note of the quirky nature of it. I know that in this modern day, people get emotionally attached to consumer products (fan boy is the term, I think?), but that does not mean that a good product cannot be improved upon. If the touch pad is turned off, when the up button is clicked the interface should respond by moving up. It should not do the exact opposite if a thumb happens to be resting on the down button. This would be understandable if the touch pad were turned on, but it is a flaw if the touch pad is turned off. Please do not get zealous. Leave that for the religiously inclined.I think everyone is aware WHY it does this. I don't think that is the issue. Frankly, my post is not concerned with the WHY. My post is concerned with the fact that it DOES do it and it SHOULD NOT.
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FauxCivility wrote: Alcuin29 wrote:I cannot believe I actually am going to explain this. You see, the idea behind the touch pad is to design an intuitive, easy to use interface that is simplistic and perhaps even enjoyable to use. If your design ends up producing something that does not take into account the way a sizeable population of people might use the device, and therefore behaves oddly or counterintuitively as a result, it is considered a design flaw. Look up Zune on engadget or any number of commercial or user reviews. A large number of people who turn off the touch pad, because they find it unnecessary and simply want to use the buttons find it strange that if another finger is touching the pad when they click up or click down, it does not behave as expected. Engadget actually praises the touch pad as one of the best interfaces for an mp3 player, but also makes note of the quirky nature of it. I know that in this modern day, people get emotionally attached to consumer products (fan boy is the term, I think?), but that does not mean that a good product cannot be improved upon. If the touch pad is turned off, when the up button is clicked the interface should respond by moving up. It should not do the exact opposite if a thumb happens to be resting on the down button. This would be understandable if the touch pad were turned on, but it is a flaw if the touch pad is turned off. Please do not get zealous. Leave that for the religiously inclined.I think everyone is aware WHY it does this. I don't think that is the issue. Frankly, my post is not concerned with the WHY. My post is concerned with the fact that it DOES do it and it SHOULD NOT.You're totally right. :( I'm going to go complain to HP now because my laptop pad doesn't work when I use two fingers to navigate.GOSH. Companies should simply EXPECT customers want things to work even if WE'RE the ones using it incorrectly.
Alcuin29 wrote:Your fallacy of logic lies, of course, in the fact that you are comparing dissimilar items. Let us perhaps consider a keyboard that is designed to either register a key being pressed by either touching the key, or, if you turn this feature off, by an actual physical button being depressed. Now imagine that you turn off the touch feature, and when you play a game and have your fingers on "WSAD" (typically used for movement in games nowadays). Now imagine you press "W" and the keyboard registers that you press "S" or "A" or perhaps any and all of these keys. Am I getting through to you, yet?Before you challenge a position, think about how to phrase your debate so as to not commit an obvious fallacy of logic.
FauxCivility wrote: Alcuin29 wrote:Your fallacy of logic lies, of course, in the fact that you are comparing dissimilar items. Let us perhaps consider a keyboard that is designed to either register a key being pressed by either touching the key, or, if you turn this feature off, by an actual physical button being depressed. Now imagine that you turn off the touch feature, and when you play a game and have your fingers on "WSAD" (typically used for movement in games nowadays). Now imagine you press "W" and the keyboard registers that you press "S" or "A" or perhaps any and all of these keys. Am I getting through to you, yet?Before you challenge a position, think about how to phrase your debate so as to not commit an obvious fallacy of logic.lol, kid, don't bring out the thesaurus when you're fighting with an English geek~ I'd already be calling you out for word overuse. If we're poking holes in logic, I would obviously point out that you're complaining about using two hands. If I were touching two keys at the same time, and it were touch sensitive, I shouldn't expect it to work in its full capacity. It may just be a difference of opinion. The iPhone already patented the two-touch system.Or are you changing your argument that even with one finger the Zune still manages to bungle your input?
ElektroDragon wrote:The Zune Pad and hardware are fine, top notch, its the SOFTWARE and FIRMWARE that is buggy trash. I think you should get reassigned and help the software team program, because they obviously suck at it. I think even a non-programmer would be able to help them at this point, that's how bad it is.
Thanks for inputing your issues that aren't directed towards that Touchpad in the thread I'm sure it will help out a lot with the touchpad
st0icr4ven wrote: ElektroDragon wrote:The Zune Pad and hardware are fine, top notch, its the SOFTWARE and FIRMWARE that is buggy trash. I think you should get reassigned and help the software team program, because they obviously suck at it. I think even a non-programmer would be able to help them at this point, that's how bad it is. Thanks for inputing your issues that aren't directed towards that Touchpad in the thread I'm sure it will help out a lot with the touchpad
I did give my feedback on the Touchpad... I said it was fine, top notch, and that they should focus their energy on other issues. Is that not feedback?
IWANNAGOLF wrote:dont feed the troll, stoic... ignore him
I'm not trolling, I'm a CUL 5 on Xbox forums. I'm just not very patient or understanding when it comes to serious software bugs caused by poor testing practices. You should see my complaint posts on xbox.com about DRM bugs in XBLA. This is mild. Anyway, off topic, I agree, so I'll shut up... here at least.